In July 1519, Martin Luther, the founder of the Reformation which would ultimately give rise to what we call the Protestant churches, engaged in a debate with a famous Roman Catholic apologist named Johann Eck in Leipzig.
Eck was a Papalist, meaning he was in favor of the Roman Catholic doctrine of the primacy of the Pope over the entire Church, a doctrine that was unknown to the Early Church and never accepted by the Holy Orthodox Church. Martin Luther, too, was against this doctrine, albeit for entirely different reasons. As a young Roman Catholic monk-priest, Luther had questioned several points of Roman Catholic doctrine, including things like indulgences, purgatory, and of course, papal primacy. Sadly, the one doctrine Luther did not question was the worst of them all, the Filioque, or the Procession of the Holy Spirit from the Father and the Son (as opposed to the Father only), which he accepted and even included in his statements of faith, like the Augsburg Confession.
The debate between Luther and Eck focused on many of these issues, especially papal primacy.
When Eck argued that the fullness of the Christian Church lay in Rome under the authority of the Pope, Luther did something that would surprise both Evangelicals and Orthodox alike today. He invoked the Orthodox Church as an example of true Christianity for the past thousand years. Indeed, he held up the Orthodox Church as a source of truth to show that the Roman Catholic Church had deviated from the principles of the Early Church. Archpriest Josiah Trenham even quotes Luther as saying, “The truth lies with the Greeks” (i.e. Orthodox) in his recent book, Rock and Sand.
Sadly, despite several respectful exchanges between the Holy Orthodox Church and the Protestant reformers in the subsequent decades, the latter were not willing to abandon the numerous innovations in the faith that they had introduced in the Reformation. Even more tragic is the fact that the nature of the Reformation itself, which gave every Protestant the right to interpret the Holy Scripture and the faith in his own way, gave rise to countless divisions among Protestants, which is why we see an endless list of different Protestant churches like Lutheran, Baptist, non-denominational, etc. in our society. Although they came from the same 16th c. Reformation led by Martin Luther, they are hopelessly divided on matters of faith. In fact, many prominent non-denominational churches today would consider Martin Luther a heretic or at least misguided, because he stood for things like Communion of the Body and Blood of Christ, the Ever-Virginity of the Holy Theotokos Mary, and the pure example of the saints of the Church. Most modern Protestants have never heard such things preached in their gatherings.
The sad irony here is that Martin Luther rebelled against the primacy of the Pope of Rome and actually saw the truth of Holy Orthodoxy, but unfortunately, he chose to make everyone a pope instead, which led to even more division and confusion.
As for us Orthodox, the simple question is, If Martin Luther saw the truth in Holy Orthodoxy, should we be influenced by Protestantism in things like Protestant-style songs and art? Or should we share more of the truth of Orthodoxy with our thirsty Protestant brothers and sisters? I absolutely believe it is possible to once again have a respectful dialogue with these sincere, good-hearted people who are thirsty for the truth, but in order to do so, we must understand our identity as Orthodox Christians, members of the Church that possesses the deposit of the Apostolic faith and the fullness of the truth.


actually, luther had no real knowledge of orthodox theology – if you study his works you’ll soon find that it is very hard to make them both compatible (as i.e. the finnish lutheran–orthodox dialogue shows)…
so – luther isn’t really suitable as a principal witness for orthodoxy.
Excellent utilization of a document to assert your comment regarding the truth of the matter and not re-coursing in pompous, egotistical, or pretentious literary ostentatiousness; all the components of Gods in the trinity detest that.
Georg Warnecke: Absolutely substantially true. Luther’s main doctrine was a faith alone sola fide unbelief (antinomianism) and his key doctrine was “Be a sinner. Sin boldly”.
Father Bless,
Thank you for such an insightful article.
I hope that we make the distinction between Protestant and Western when referring to songs and art. Protestant music preaching false theology must be avoided in an Orthodox setting. Unfortunately, youth usually confuse Protestant with Western thinking that all that is Western is Protestant. As a parishioner in a missionary Orthodox Church in Toronto, I believe that using Western music in such setting is necessary as this is what caters to the needs of those of a Western background/ethnicity. I know that this was not the main message of your blog yet I found it necessary to point that out as such matter is often confused by many youth.
Seeking your prayers on my behalf
Thank you, Andrew, for the clarification. I agree with the concept. I’m also serving at a missionary parish in the Diocese of Los Angeles, and to my surprise, I found converts who really enjoy traditional, sacred Coptic music just as we have many Coptic youth who enjoy Western music more. I suppose it depends on the context. Either way, we have to be careful and precise as you said. Pray for me, as well.
P.S. Sadly, I think you replied to the wrong article and I’m not sure how to transfer the comment to the right article (which I believe is “I’m Alive and Well.”)
I don’t believe in birth control. can I still join Orthodox?
Yes, of course.
As a Greek Orthodox Christian from Australia … I have educated a lot of protestants by giving them insight in the early scriptures of the Apostles… and that there is only “one” true apostolic faith which holds the real teachings of our lord Jesus Christ … not the endless Christian denominations which exist today due to the Roman Catholic unrealistic insatiable greed for papacy power… which is the end result of division amongst Christians…Amen.
I am a member of the United Church of Christ who has recently become interested in learning more about the Eastern Orthodoxy. You post was very insightful. I would like to learn more. Would a non member of your Faith be welcome at a regular church service?
Yes, absolutely!
I so appreciate this article! I am recent convert from the Protestant tradition to [Coptic] Orthodoxy. I had a very interesting conversation with a Protestant minister who was completely confused about the history and Tradition of the Church, and dismissed the established structure of the ancient church. The idea that the consensus Church supersedes individual interpretation, the ever-virgin – Holy Mother Mary is venerated and hold a place of high esteem in the Church, veneration of Saints is proper and well established, and almost every aspect of the Orthodox church is a deception of those seeking the truth.
So, one of my questions to him was “what did Martin Luther think of the Orthodox Church”. My question was sincere because I honestly had no idea. Apostolic succession is well established and deviations from the original church makes practical sense, but the history and doctrine gives legs to what should be intuitive. Also, the precedence of Tradition to documentation is an impossible argument overcome.
Thank you for bread crumbs this article provides….
Please pray for me!
hlt